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  Quote trey69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Longboard and my Weight/Skill?
    Posted: 21 October 2009 at 7:40pm

Hey guys, just had a question.

So I took 4 few lessons, done with whitewater, dropping in now on waves that are 2 - 3 ft usually, and go left/right and TRY ride the face of the wave, learning turning.
 
I'm 6"1, 228 lbs.
 
I don't work so kinda on a budget and trying to buy a longboard.
 
I am looking at two longboards, one is a 9'0, soft-top foamboard made by WaveStorm (the $99 one at Costco), comes with fins and traciton pad, as well as leash. I heard the quality is great desipite the price (reputable chinese company), but one person told me it being a foam/soft-top takes in a lot of water and gets heavier, but everyone else told me it's fine.
 
 
The other is a 9' longboard from samsclub made by Maverix. it retails $389 but comes with leash, bag, fins, and traction bag. This is off the site (so i guess it's technically 9'4")
 
  • Long Board Measures 9'4" Tall
  • Dimensions: 24.38"W x 113.50"H x 5.38"D
  • http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=420487

    Isn't the depth super thick? I thought most longboards thickness went up to about 3.5 inches max. Unfortunately the Costco one doesnt have dimensions so I have to go in-store to measure it.

    Should I be concerned with the height of the longboard the most, or teh width, or thickness, or all three? Bearing in mind my height/weight, and that I am relatively a beginner, what dimensions should I aim for in a longboard?
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      Quote vegas mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 October 2009 at 8:17pm
    the wavestorm board from costco is 8'
    i don't recommend a foam board unless you are a real first timer. since you have ridden before you should just buy a real board.

    also i don't think you should be looking at any $400 board from a store unless it's a surf shop.

    i ride a 10'0", when i bought it i was just over 200 lbs and 5'10"
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      Quote themathteacher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 October 2009 at 8:47pm
    Forget the soft top, that's what you use to learn, not to progress.

    The board from sam's club seems to have the wrong dimmensions on it, there are no 5" thick longboards anywhere.

    If you want to go new and cheap hit up solana surfboards, they import longboards for the price you want, and you can actually meet and talk to them.

    You know, many of us start on used boards, not a bad idea for the investment.

    Lastly, for your size I would go at least 9'6" x at leat 23" by at leat 3" thick, anything smaller will be harder to paddle for you as a begginer.
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      Quote trey69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 October 2009 at 9:30pm

    Really? I've seen some people shredding in Costco foamboards, I didn't know they were so limited in capability.

     
    This is where I'm confused, I mean I am a beginner, because I am just trying to learn to turn and ride the face of the wave, yet I have no problem with pop-ups on whitewater and stuff like that.
     
    And obviously I wanna get better, so how much of a "beginner" are these soft-tops for? Like the very 1st time?
     
    If I get a used longboad, should I stick with foam or fiberglass? What about the dimension of the nose?
     
    Thanks so far for the help fellas, I appreciate it so much.


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      Quote vegas mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 October 2009 at 10:19pm
    i'd say the foam boards are good for people on their first few times out or if they are afraid of getting hit in the head.
    i've seen people that are good at surfing riding on the costco boards and doing well, but i've never seen someone that isn't good at surfing do good on a costco board.
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      Quote seawolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 7:10am
    I was wondering about a 5" + thick longboard, that's SUP territory lol.

    Vegas Mike and TheMathTeacher advice have given you good advice.  Also, if you search through this forum, you can find threads dealing with buying used boards and longboards for beginners too.


    Edited by seawolf - 22 October 2009 at 7:14am
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      Quote Mike2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 7:39am
    After a 17 year break from surfing and then a layoff I was in the same boat as you. A beginner that had the time but not the $$. I agree with the post above dont get a foam board your past that stage now, be patient and keep an eye on Craigs list. I was lucky enough to find two deals in my board hunt: a Stewart 9' McPhillips for $80 at their shop in SC (needed fins and dings fixed but that was easy) and a 8'6" egg that was good to go from a guy in La Jolla for $150. You just gotta be patient hunt around it will be worth the wait.
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      Quote Baratacus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 7:57am
    if you check, sams club sells a couple stand up paddle boards also by maverix.   I'm pretty sure that 9'4  is a short stand up paddle board that they're trying to sell as a funboard.  (bigger market for funboards vs. SUP boards)
    My 8'4" stinger is 4 inches thick and was made for big heavy guys like myself.  I can't imagine if I had another foot of lenth and another inch of depth to it.  I'd never get wet.
    The newer soft top boards don't suck up water like the older ones used to.  As they get older they tend to hold some water, but thats not for a few years with normal use.   The longer soft tops aren't shredders.  The decks do get a little flexy as they get longer and soft boards are a lot heavier than a hardboard.   The soft tops that have hard cores in the center are good solid longboards, but they're also heavy compared to a hardboard.    $300-$400 will get you a used board that's still in decent shape.  (longboards are expensive!) http://www.california.surfboardshack.com/longboards.php
    For $100 you won't find anything but a complete wreck.  You may get super lucky though so keep an eye on craigslists.  Or you can buy a complete wreck and bone up on your patching and repair skills!   When I was a kid I was flat broke and I snapped my trusty old beater in half.  I picked up a used beater from some surfschool for 30 bucks.  I cut it open and dried it out.  Then replaced a bunch of rotten foam with some fresh plugs,  patched it up and re-glassed the deck.  It took some work, was ugly as hell, but It was a board and I was back in the water again.   If you want it bad enough, you do what you gotta do.   If you go with a costco board, its better than nothing and you can ride it while you save your money for the real board later on.   Consider that you can still get 50 bucks for it when you  go to buy your new board...
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      Quote themathteacher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:29am
    So, lots of advice, let us know how it went...
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      Quote jack612 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 10:52am
    I know most people don't like popouts, but I was looking for a longboard as my first board and I got one really cheap from Isle. I bought a 9'6"x23 1/2"x3" epoxy longboard from them that I've been really happy with. It is super durable (I've been using it for 3 months now and besides a couple of shallow pressure dings on the top where my feet land it's in perfect condition) and it rides well. They charge $460 for it on their website, but I found out that they also have an eBay store where everything has a "Best Offer" button.   I submitted an offer of $350 and they accepted it and you can go to their warehouse in National City to pick it up so no shipping. I will probably go with something from a local shaper when I progress, but it's been a great first board.
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      Quote jozu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:02am
    I would also suggest not getting a foam board. I'm roughly the same height/weight as you and bought a soft top for my first board thinking it would be good for buoyancy. If you plan on going out with any type of regularity your going to outgrow that foam board super quick, then you'll be kicking yourself a month from now wishing you were on a normal board. At least that's how it worked out for me =|
     
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      Quote themathteacher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 12:48pm
    Well, it's not that we hate popouts, I know they are cheap and so for someone on a budget it's the beast deal in the world. That's why I suggested Solana Surf, they are on this website, somewhere, and are cool dudes, same prices as isle surfboards, probably the same boards too LOL.

    But, and not intended to start a fight, most imports are not high quality, they chick and ding easier, plus sometimes the design has a lot to be desired, with uneven rockers and flat spots that make them inferior.

    Still, I never knock anyone's ride, have fun and enjoy the stoke.
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      Quote trey69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 4:52pm

    Went to Costco today, apparently it's 8 feet long, sorry guys my bad. Not sure if they even ever had 9' ones.

    But more importantly I am taking everyones' views into consideration and it's probably best to simply buy a used longboard from Craigslist.  Didn't wanna spend more than $200-$250, but I'll hunt like you guys said - it's worth the while!
     
    Thanks for everyone's help, I appreciate it so much!!
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      Quote jspears80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 October 2009 at 11:23pm

    I would have to say go with the foam wavestorm.  Its cheaper, its safer, its less of a hassle, and despite what people say you will not outgrow the board in a month or even a year of heavy surfing.  There is a common "group think" idea that most people pass along but in my opinion is totally wrong that softboards are for extreme beginners (first months) or little kids, etc.  I have surfed 14 different boards in the last year and a half of surfing of all sizes and still prefer my 8 foot wavestorm over all the others.

    I have heavy and light longboards, shortboards, hybrids, fish, and boards that are nearly identical in shape to the wavestorm but glassed... that being said, they all have their benefits. But when I hear people talk about how foamboards will not progress your skill then I have to assume two things...1) you've never seriously stuck with a foam or 2) you started on foam, felt like a kook and caved in on the pressure the surf community puts on you with their hard board only propaganda.
     
    It is NOT neccesary to ride glassed boards to get better at surfing, period.  You can buy a wavestorm for 100$ (not the $300+ INT boards) and surf everyday for years and still get better and better. Its all about YOUR ability in the water and how you read the ocean... it  takes years to progress this and no matter if your board is hard or soft the learning curve is going to be about the same.  You CAN make the board do just about anything... you just have to figure it out and practice (like any other board).
     
    Now don't get me wrong... Its good to surf different boards to get an idea of different SHAPES and material.... it adds perspective to your surfing and one day you may prefer your glassed board over the foam. But what i'm saying is you can do pretty much ANYTHING  on a wavestorm in almost all surf conditions up to even doube overhead if not more... Foam boards are not as useless as everyone likes to think they are.  In fact, I prefer foam over my hardtops because I can be more experimental in my surfing and try things I normally wouldn't do on a hard boards because I'd get hurt. If i take my heavy 9 footer out and try and get wild and get tossed then there is a good chance I'll walk away with a serious beating if the board slams me the wrong way...  foam leaves bruises,  glass leaves scars...it is a unnessary risk initially.
     
    I'm not saying foamies will out perform a hardboard if you wanna get all technical about it, but they are hardly as crappy as people think.  Everyone tries so hard to be cool they feel they need to ditch the foam board and get a fiberglass board.  But in the end it doesn't matter what you ride, its how you ride... and a wavestorm can be a tool for learning and to rip it up for years if not longer. Its cheap, safe, and progressive as you'll need for at least 2 years, and will be totally practical and fun.... OR you can get stuck with group think like most people do and blow 300$ on something that would accomplish the exact same thing the foamie would do...  /rant off  
     
    EDIT: oh and btw, the wavestorm does not take in water like other foams I have ridden, particularly BZ...in fact I've had open holes in one of mine and it didn't waterlog AT ALL. They are much higher quality than people would like to admit... probably because people are bias towards anything overseas...but, thats just more surf politics...Lastly, the resale value is great on those boards so even if you ride it for a year or two you can make your money back easy.


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      Quote redheadedsurfer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 8:37am
    jspears- I completely agree with your post.   A good surfer can surf anything!    You put a piece of wood in the water, and a good surfer will surf it.   What people fail to realize, its not a board that makes someone a great surfer, its the skill level of the surfer.    For example, take a person in these forums that is an advance surfer, and speaks down on the blue foamie boards, saying that it will hinder progress....blah blah blah.    If you put Andy Irons on a blue foamie in a head to head matchup with that surfer, AI will make surferboy look like an idiot.....on a blue foamie.     Which goes back to my original statement, a good surfer can surf anything, and surf it well.    Boards don't make people great surfers. 
     
    By the way, I've seen some pretty good surfers on those blue foamies, I've seen surfers do some pretty technical stuff on those boards.  


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      Quote wave1173 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 10:31am
    i too agree with jspears80 comment . rode a BZ softboard for few years before getting a hard board . i noticed i progressed faster than others becuase i would just go in crowded or dumping wave situations , when others with hard boards were in fear of dinging their boards or themselves . years later i still enjoy taking out a softie . BUT that being said the 8' wavestorm is too small for a 200+ pounder . 9'6" plus used surftech softtop bought from a rental or surfschool changing out their stock might be a try .
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      Quote themathteacher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 10:38am
    Great, differing oppinions. Love it.

    They do make and sell 9ft foam boards, they are dirtch cheap on craigslist, you just have to get luck. Also, Surf Hut in imperial beach sells their rentals every year so that they don't have to store them, you can get a great price on a used 9ft foamie there. Blue foamies are great for begginers, they are safe, they take drop-damage, they float, and make gerat hand-me-downs for kids and for your buddies when they want to try surfing, all you need for a great begginer surfing experience.

    Lastly, the wavestorm only comes in 8ft, no problem if you are a smaller guy guy for a guy 228lbs there is no way he could comfortably learn on it. No one has a problem with foam boards, just get the right one.
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      Quote jspears80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 11:18am
    Yeah 220lbs+ may be too big for the wavestorm but too put things in perspective I am 6' 200lbs and it holds me up like a champ with some too spare... So it could work, maybe not... depends on person.
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      Quote themathteacher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 11:35am
    Depends on skill too, I'm 200lbs alo have no problems surfing my nephews wavestorm, and I surf a 6'2" shortboard, but for a begginer a 9ft+ would be a better fit.
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      Quote wave1173 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 1:31pm
    jspears- during your beginning stages , if you had the choice , looking back , which would you rather have learned on ? the 8' soft or 9'6+ soft ? trey69 seems to be not only a beginner , but a taller heavier beginner . so i would not give false hopes that a 8' board will hold him up . maybe -maybe not . but its for sure a 9'6+ will . everyday i see big huge guys on 8' boards with their feet hanging off the tail . flailing in the pit . if they just had a bigger board they would do much better .    
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      Quote jspears80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 2:13pm
    No, I agree. A 9 foot board would be better for him probably starting out for sure. I mistakenly lost focus on trey in my tangent about foam vs glass. But to answer your question I would've got a cheap 9'0" foamboard off craigslist.  The 8 foot board was good but the extra glide would have been nice and the 9'6 would've been good too but would probably been a little stiffer than desired... but a 9'0 would've been best for me personally.


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      Quote vegas mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 3:11pm
    i stand by my comment. a good surfer can rip on a wavestorm board, but for a beginner i feel they will limit learning. unless the beginner is afraid of the board, then they should either get a foam board or get over it.


    a good surfer can ride any board. however i feel that beginners are better off with a board that can progress with them.
    the wave storm board is really thick and has chunky rails. i can't imagine how hard it is for a beginner to learn to turn on one of them.

    unless you are afraid, i don't see the point of buying 2 boards when you could have just bought one board.

    my wife had a really nice int 9' board that she learned on. we picked it up for $40. it gave her major rash from the foam. she didn't even want to ride the board after the first time she went out.
    it worked out great though, she was afraid of getting hit by the board when she was learning. the foamie let her relax enough to catch and ride 4 waves on her first time out.

    i know winter is pretty much here so most people are wearing wetsuits so the rash doesn't matter much, but i've read a few posts on here of people complaining about rashes from the foam boards.

    also coming from a bodyboarder that rides "foam" boards all the time.

    the wavestorm board's core is made out of expanded beaded polystyrene. the worst kind of core you can get for a bodyboard or surfboard
    do you know what else is made out of polystyrene?
    yeah the sh*tty boogie boards for little kids that you see broke all over the beach on 6"-12" surf days in the summer.


    and the last thing i want in the lineup with me


    yeah styrofoam cups.
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      Quote jspears80 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 4:09pm
    All the 'good surfer can surf anything' stuff aside... the real points I was making are the two things we disagree on...1) foam hinders learning and 2) wavestorm board quality...

    1) Speaking from personal experience, the turning ability is not all that bad if you simply learn how the board works (just like all boards). Its really no different than trying to ride a 9' longboard with thick rails...its all about understanding the board you ride, not so much the board itself. So in fact coming to that understanding of what needs to be done to surf it or other various shaped rails, outline, etc is what promotes good learning. Focusing on yourself in the water on a board (not what kind of board) is what is important.

    2) I know they aren't solid gold but they do last a couple years, even if you beat the crap out of it... it did only cost $50-100... thats part of the beauty.



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      Quote trey69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 5:05pm

    Only thing i'd be scared of is not the board or damaging it, but getting cut by the fins. 

    Love the different opinions! Too bad the board is 8" tho, unridable for me.

    I'll just board hunt all over the place then, thanks for the mention of rental places!
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      Quote vegas mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 5:34pm
    Originally posted by jspears80

    As far as using foamboards because your are scared...well that is just a bunch of macho crap. Safety and experimentation are two primary reasons I still surf foam occasionally but not because I am scared to surf glass. Sometimes it makes sense to not put yourself in danger during certain conditions... its smart, not cowardly.

    most beginners are afraid of getting hurt, i'm not talking about you and your macho crap. i'm talking about all the people i've taught to surf over the last 15 years.
    do you wear a helmet when you surf? it's smart not cowardly.

    if you feel more safe learning a floater or what ever on a foam board that's cool, more power to you. however wouldn't you say that you are on the foamie cause you are scared (worried, cautious, concerned with your safety)

    it's kinda like bmx guys learning tricks into a foam pit. it's MUCH more safe, however the reason they use the foam pit is cause they are afraid of eating crap while learning a new trick.

    fear is what keeps us alive, it doesn't make you less macho if you have fear. fear is what keeps me from driving up to mavericks tonight and riding 20' waves tomorrow. yeah i also know that i'm not ready for that and it wouldn't be safe, but the main thing is i'm afraid it's not safe.

    about the quality of the wavestorm boards. i've held a few, never rode one though. they are the same quality as the boogie boards sold at walmart and costco. hardly high quality.
    OMG the board will last a year or 2 and it only cost $100.
    well my longboard cost me $500 (in '97) and it was built in 1995. it's still a great board in great shape and i could probably sell it for $350-$400 if i wanted to.
    a quality surfboard will out last a wavestorm boogie board... er... um surfboard.

    if it's all you can afford, by all means go buy one. it gets you out on the water and enjoying surfing, but if you can afford an extra hundred then you shouldn't be looking at any foam boards.

    you should always buy the best you can afford. no matter what you are talking about. if you are buying a surfboard or if you are buying some tires for your car. no matter what, you should always get the best you can afford.
    that doesn't mean the most expensive, that means the one that is the best for you.
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      Quote seawolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 6:31pm
    Originally posted by trey69

    Only thing i'd be scared of is not the board or damaging it, but getting cut by the fins. 

    Love the different opinions! Too bad the board is 8" tho, unridable for me.

    I'll just board hunt all over the place then, thanks for the mention of rental places!



    http://www.surfcohawaii.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PT-PER-9set

    When I was starting out I bought a set of these for my longboard, because I too, was concerned about getting sliced. They have a rubbery edge, which will bruise, but much less likely to cut.

    (If you find a long board and need a set, I'm selling mine, they're just sitting there)


    Edited by seawolf - 23 October 2009 at 6:35pm
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      Quote themathteacher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2009 at 10:01pm
    Ok, we are going of tangent here. So, to recap to make it easier:

    1) Foam boards are great for learning
    2) Andy Irons can ride anything
    3) A couple of us on this forum can ride an 8ft wavestorm magestically


    Good luck Trey, have fun learning. Post up often, let us know how you are progressing
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      Quote wave1173 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 10:37am
    trey - if you purchased and passed out pro-teck fins to everyone in the line up and made them use it , then maybe you might not get a fin cut .
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      Quote GLASSER ONE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 12:04pm
    Here is my a-hole opinion, foam boards are for girls and little kids,If you buy your surfboard at costco you should feel real icky and uncomfortable ( like seeing your sister naked), If you dont theres somthing wrong with youConfused
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      Quote vegas mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 October 2009 at 3:30pm
    Originally posted by GLASSER ONE

    Here is my a-hole opinion, foam boards are for girls and little kids,If you buy your surfboard at costco you should feel real icky and uncomfortable ( like seeing your sister naked), If you dont theres somthing wrong with youConfused

    well now, you hold on a min.
    there is nothing wrong with seeing your sister naked
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