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    Posted: 19 August 2009 at 9:33pm
I've read a decent amount online, and all the advice seems to say to bend your knees and repeat what you're doing over and over and over.  Anything else I should know?

What's the minimum size a wave needs to be for me to be able to cross-step without completely dunking my board?  I was trying it today at Shores in 2ft mush and while the waves were pretty strong for such small waves, I just ended up sinking my board into the soup.

Oh, and one more thing: what direction should the feet face while cross-stepping?  Perpendicular, parallel, or somewhere inbetween?  I've seen various noseriders do it all kinds of ways, so is it basically whichever feels best to you?


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  Quote vegas mike Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 August 2009 at 9:52pm
i practice on a picnic table bench. knees bent, with my feet almost perpendicular to the board, just a slight angle off. maybe 10-15% from perpendicular.

i used to be really good at it, last time i went out i sucked pretty bad.

i never had a problem with the size of the wave. smallest i can remember was 1-2' and i was cross stepping just fine.
once you get it down and it's good then i think the wave size won't matter as much. just try to step soft and fluid.
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  Quote twee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 August 2009 at 10:57pm
Yeah, the problem I run into is if I bend my knees too low I put too much weight into the board, which is what I think causes it to capsize.

However, I did manage to cross-step a couple times today, just barely, so I figure I could probably knock this down in a week or two.
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  Quote wave1173 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2009 at 12:50am
ever see ice skaters at a stand still in the middle of the rink . their feet are at 90 degrees . that so each foot can counter the slide . for nose riding you have to be able to push-pull front to back and side to side . so for practice , front foot at 12 o'clock and back foot at 3 o'clock . butt up the heel of your front foot into the arch of your back foot forming a slight "L" . in the same alignment , lift up your back foot and place it in front of your front foot's toes forming a "T" . practice walking that way L T L T L T forward . then walk backwards L T L T L ( walking back is more important than forward ). always touching foot to foot . hard isnt it ? after you can do it tight , later walking more open will be much easier . experiment walking stiff leg , knees super bent , etc. try it , and let me know how it goes . then we can move to the next practice .
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  Quote twee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2009 at 1:26am
That's actually how I've been trying to cross-step, and it's been working so far.
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  Quote wave1173 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2009 at 9:55am
that's a good land practice , just like golfers swinging their arms at the bus stop . in the ocean , try this . near the beach in like knee high water with a sandy bottom , stand on your board and find your balance in a sort of surf stance ( can be more narrow ). before you take a step , lean back with your head or shoulders , then initiate the step . take 1 step forward , then place it back . later 2 steps , 2 steps back . all the while keep your gaze on something far away like a boat or building . practice that little STALL , its the secret to noseriding .

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  Quote ShockEpi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2009 at 3:24pm
I seriously learned to cross step by watching DVD's of Joel Tudor surfing. While at home I would literally lay down, pop up and cross step on an imaginary line on the carpet and mentally reenact Joel's moves.

When attempting to cross step make sure to set up an nice line down the wave. I like to paddle straight towards the beach pop up then do a little bottom turn in to the face. If done correctly you should be about 2/3's up the face of the wave going down the line with some decent trim.

From there begin cross stepping making sure that your steps are along the stringer. Remember this stepping, not hopping or skipping. Keep in mind that before lifting a foot the other one needs to be planted and stable.

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 Is there an order to which foot crosses in front of the other? Lately I've been trying to practice whichever foot moves first crosses in front of the other. I do this moving forward or backward.

 Or sometimes I think, When moving back, the front foot goes behind the rear foot and then you move the rear foot about shoulder width back from there. Then just reverse the order coming forward again.

Is there a base technique or order to cross stepping?

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  Quote Baratacus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2010 at 2:03pm
if you wear a leash.. and you should, always cross your leashed foot behind the unleashed foot going forward and backwards.  Otherwise you tangle your foot in your leash or step on it while walking.  A lot of people who don't use leashes on their longboards use the excuse that it gets in the way when they walk the board.  It's because they aren't doing it right.   Sometimes my cuff will get turned around on me and I'll step on the leash, but that's my bad for not checking my cuff before taking off on a wave.
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  Quote themathteacher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2010 at 6:08pm
I suck at longboarding, everything I do is by luck, including noseriding. I've done a little of everything, I've also fallen off a longboard more easily than a shortboard LOL
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  Quote wave1173 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2010 at 10:24pm
i dont quite understand the question . your standing in your normal stance ( let say regular ) . your front foot is at 1-2 o'clock and your back foot is at 3 o'clock standing on the stringer about shoulders width apart ( stringer being 12 o'clock at the nose and 6 0'clock at the tail ) . you are at your base or open stance . once you take a step with your back foot forward , you become crossed or closed . the only way i can picture both feet crossing each other is if both toes are facing 12 o'clock like on a high-wire trapeze act.
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  Quote twee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2010 at 1:24am
Originally posted by Baratacus

if you wear a leash.. and you should, always cross your leashed foot behind the unleashed foot going forward and backwards.  Otherwise you tangle your foot in your leash or step on it while walking.  A lot of people who don't use leashes on their longboards use the excuse that it gets in the way when they walk the board.  It's because they aren't doing it right.   Sometimes my cuff will get turned around on me and I'll step on the leash, but that's my bad for not checking my cuff before taking off on a wave.

Heh, I have a really bad habit of crossing my leashed foot over my unleashed foot instead of behind it. Now that I think about it, that simple adjustment might do wonders in improving my cross-stepping.

But meh, guess I'll have to wait til summer to practice that on the waves, lol.
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  Quote wave1173 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2010 at 9:10am
i dont see how it is possible without a lot of contortion for the back foot to pass BEHIND the front front ( with or without a leash ) . crossed behind i can not adjust pressure from the back to front foot becuase they are soo tight together . crossing in front there is more control .   
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  Quote Paulyoffshore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2010 at 10:45am
I think you're right Wave1173. The more I try the cross over standing on dry land, the back foot must cross over front of the forward foot when taking a step toward the nose (otherwise it's far too awkward). Then the order is just reversed for taking a step to the rear: front foot passes behind the rear foot and plants itself then just kinda slide the rear foot into position behind the front foot now. I'm liking the LT,LT,LT foot step idea posted above and am gonna give it a try next time out.
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  Quote Baratacus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2010 at 2:39pm
you guys, crossing your legs is the same whether your left or your right foot croses in front.   It's no tighter or looser.   If you are taking a bigger cross step when you cross over the front of your foot then you are overstepping.  The difference is that when some people cross the back foot in front of their stationary front foot, they try to take a wider cross stance than necessary which forces you to you turn your hips and body to the direction you are walking and plants your stepping foot with toes pointed towards the nose.  This seems like it might be more stable since it is a wider stance, but it is not. Now your facing towards the nose with your legs in-line one behind the other and both feet in line with each other, toes pointed forwards like you were on a narrow ballance beam.    This is bad for a transitional stance... great if you were planing on switching your stance between goofy and regular.   
when walking forward, Crossing the back foot behind your planted front foot keeps your crossing foot sideways since you have to plant the edge of your foot when you set it down in the front.  Then when you bring your other foot back up to the front and uncross your step, your back foot is still planted sideways and you can set your leading foot down toes to the nose.    Keep your cross step shallow and don't pivot your body.   Too much body motion and turning your feet to adjust the stance = off ballance, falling over board.   It's also a lot easier to check your advance and stop your walk forward  at the cross and return to your original position. 
When walking back, crossing your front foot behind your back foot does just the opposite.  It plants your back crossed foot with the toe down so when you uncross your step backwards it ends up pointing forwards and your uncrossed rear foot goes down pointing sideways again.  This is how you want to do it.   If you go back crossing your leading foot in front of your trailing foot, it goes down on the edge of the foot, causing your leading foot to be planted sideways when you uncross them.


Edited by Baratacus - 20 January 2010 at 3:10pm
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  Quote wave1173 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 January 2010 at 10:07pm
uhh umm , i still dont get the cross behind the front foot ( the back foot passing heels not the toes of the front foot . from what you explained about the stance and movement , thats exactly what i feel happens BUT with crossing in the front .   if we all stand up right now in the living room , lets all stand on a imaginary line , left foot front facing forward on the line . right back foot facing side ways to that line . now try to step behind and in front of the left foot . i cant do it with about my butt trying to twist out of my hip . maybe i got a funny shaped body . but so does everyone in the longboarding video i am watching , becuase everyone is cross stepping in front . the only time i saw a rear cross is to set up for a hang-ten heels .
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  Quote Baratacus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 January 2010 at 10:22am
If their walking a long board then they have a lot of realestate to cover and a simple cross step is probably not being preformed.  Cross stepping will move you one shoulder width down the board. Once you've overstepped and your hips are facing front, you are "walking" not "cross stepping"  I walk the board when I need to take more than one step, Usually on a long board when I need to get on the nose or run back to the tail from the nose.  I cross step when I need to shift my weight just ahead of the rocker.  With my 8'4" I usually cross step, but sometimes I feel the need to get my toes on the nose and I walk it. 
 
   Cross stepping behind your leading foot will turn your hips to the rear of the board if you try to overstep, just like cross stepping in front of the lead foot will turn your hips forward. In a cross step, you should not be turning your hips.    If your trailing knee goes behind (or in front) of you leading knee, then you've stepped too far and you are going to turn your hips.   Your trailing foots toe should land right outside of the heel of your leading foot when crossing behind.   When crossing in front, you need to step almost 1 foot length further to step outside your leading  foots toe.  My foot is long enough that I can't do that without pivoting my hips and crossing up my knees. 
 
Which way you choose to cross step should just come naturally.   Like regular or goofy foot.   The way I do it keeps me out of my leash.  I never really thought a lot about it before I posted in this topic.    There are other things that will determine which direction you are stepping as well.  If your front side and on the  "wave side" of the board, back crossing will help keep you out of the face.  If your surfing a wave back side and you back cross, you may end up sticking your butt right in the face of the wave.    So do it the way that feels right and don't get stuck into one specific way to do it cause it won't work that way for all conditions.


Edited by Baratacus - 21 January 2010 at 10:54am
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